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  • newportnobby
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    If it somehow gets the light pacific moved onto a Dapol schedule somewhere, would it help if just 2 options were made - air smoothed and rebuilt? Customers could turn to the likes of Fox Transfers* for their individual number/name preferences thus saving stocks of the less popular ones hanging around and then being discounted.
    *Other sources of names/numbers are no doubt available

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  • JeremiahBunyan
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    Crowdfunding is something that I've suggested to Dapol on quite a few occasions regarding a Class 87, Class 90 and Mk.3 Sleeper. Their response was sensible and straightforward, Dapol don't do crowdfunding because they are not comfortable asking customers for money upfront and they aren't comfortable holding onto customer's money.

    Crowdfunding may seem straightforward, but it's more complex than it seems, each crowdfunding campaign has different T&C's based on the situation and environment. There's many risks involved too and recently a manufacturer had issues where many fake expressions and orders were created.

    And to conclude, yes it's good to know that people are willing to crowdfund the model, but what are the numbers we're talking about here? In such a scenario one needs to sell more than 1000 models just to recoup the cost of development, are there enough of people to order 1000+ locos. 1000 is just an approximate and it could be more just to keep the RRP at a sensible level.

    There's also another predicament:-
    - If Dapol were to release the BoB/WC as a general release item, Dapol can periodically release locomotives over a span of a few years and recoup their investment. This is more sensible and easier on the pocket for us modelers who keep complaining about price rises.
    - If Dapol were to release the BoB/WC as a crowdfunded model, then just to drum up lots of sales they'll have to offer as many names/numbers/variations as possible so that they maximize their sales, and the catch to that is that they'll have to only go ahead with models that have crossed the minimum batch numbers. Eg: RevolutioN are struggling to get interest for a few liveries in the Class 320/321, yet others have a lot of interest. The ones with low interest have impacted the project quite a bit.

  • CeeDee
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    Having just posted a comment on the Crowdfunding section of N Gauge forum, the response is quite emphatic...there's a lot of people out there prepared to put their hand in their pocket to fund a BoB / WC project. How about it Dapol? Your customers are waiting!!

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  • JeremiahBunyan
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    Originally posted by Learner View Post
    Nearly 6 months have now passed since the last post here regarding the delay and/or cancellation of the N gauge light pacifics, because I am still rather confused as to whether Dapol have completely cancelled the BoB production or just put it into obeyance? Has there been any further updates or hints from Dapol about this - I haven't seen anything conclusive. Is there still hope we might eventually see the BoB (and WC) or am I living in false hope? Thanks.
    It has been put in abeyance for a reason and that is because there will be no further news until they have something worthwhile to share. There is no time limit to it. When they have news they'll share it.

    Cheers!

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  • Ed-Farms
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    Originally posted by Learner View Post
    Nearly 6 months have now passed since the last post here regarding the delay and/or cancellation of the N gauge light pacifics, because I am still rather confused as to whether Dapol have completely cancelled the BoB production or just put it into obeyance? Has there been any further updates or hints from Dapol about this - I haven't seen anything conclusive. Is there still hope we might eventually see the BoB (and WC) or am I living in false hope? Thanks.
    Nothing that I have seen, as far as I know its in obeyance. Am sure Dapol will bring this porject back when the timing is right.

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  • Learner
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    Nearly 6 months have now passed since the last post here regarding the delay and/or cancellation of the N gauge light pacifics, because I am still rather confused as to whether Dapol have completely cancelled the BoB production or just put it into obeyance? Has there been any further updates or hints from Dapol about this - I haven't seen anything conclusive. Is there still hope we might eventually see the BoB (and WC) or am I living in false hope? Thanks.

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  • ODRAILS
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    I did not write that the WC/BoB project is "totally cancelled" in the post to which Chris is referring. I did state that "Dapol would not now be producing the promised Bulleid Light Pacific...". By asking the question which he did in his post he obviously hadn't bothered to read the previous posts in this thread.
    I am very disappointed that Dapol has chosen either to delay indefinitely or not to continue the development of the light pacifics. Those of us who want to buy these models have waited six years from the initial announcement and are now left in limbo in that another manufacturer is unlikely to take on the risk of potential competition with Dapol.
    I am not "knocking" Dapol in any way - just registering my disappointment. BTW, I'm a satisfied owner of 2 x panniers, 1 x Ivatt tank, 2 x Schools, 1 x Q1, 1 x Britannia, 1 x 9F and a rake of Maunsell coaches
    Ian

  • JeremiahBunyan
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    Ahh well part and parcel of the hobby I guess. Enough about this. Back to discussing the WC/BoB....

  • Chris Newman
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    Jeremiah, It seems that mumbling, grumbling and dissent in the ranks is "hereditary" in this hobby, I was looking back on NGF late last night at the thread on Dapol class 52 Westerns in 2013 and the same thing was going on then--and if you go forward in time 5years or so, most likely it will still be going on!! Although one thing did stand out as a predominant problem--QC (Quality Control) and another subject I don't want to get into on this thread--enough said!!

    Chris

  • JeremiahBunyan
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    "I doubt that many, other than real enthusiasts, even read or contribute to forums such as this or the NGF, let alone think the way you describe."
    I stick to my opinion, I acknowledge the fact that there's a lot of real enthusiasts out there, and from my experience it's the real enthusiasts and amatuer YouTubers who are more understanding. "Most" of the others are quite influencial and tend to have a minor double standard. As a person who is part of a lot of forums from all over the world, it's quite clear about us. You are free to disagree with my views, but it's something I personally noticed.

    "You too are drawing conclusions about the 'average British modeler' based on a few opinions posted."
    I will politely disagree with that, your definition and my definition of few clearly are different. I shall take care in future as to word my posts carefully so as not to allow others to misunderstand. Previous post duly edited.
    Last edited by JeremiahBunyan; 2 April 2017, 11:40.

  • austinbob
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    Unfortunately people do jump to conclusions based on other peoples' statements. If you look at the link posted by Chris Newman he does not categorically state the project is cancelled he says 'So, it appears that Dapol will not now be producing the promised Bulleid Light Pacifics in air-smoothed or modified form.'
    In addition your comment about the average British modeler - "dislike a company = talk any rubbish and somehow include the so called best brand whilst ignoring their obvious drawbacks" - is talking about an awful lot of modelers - I doubt that many, other than real enthusiasts, even read or contribute to forums such as this or the NGF, let alone think the way you describe.
    You too are drawing conclusions about the 'average British modeler' based on a few opinions posted.

    Bob Austin

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  • JeremiahBunyan
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    Another modeler who has simply misunderstood everything (seemingly on purpose), jumped to his own conclusion and caused nothing but rumours to float. No disrespect to him/her, but that's the kind of thing that's uncalled for. A very typical characteristic from many British modelers - "dislike a company = talk any rubbish and somehow include the so called best brand whilst ignoring their obvious drawbacks"

    Other companies are just as guilty as delays and errors.
    Last edited by JeremiahBunyan; 2 April 2017, 11:43.

  • Chris Newman
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    Hi Jeremiah, the statement is the first line and a bit, of a review of Bachman/Farish Loco's hopefully this link (copied and pasted) should take you there:-
    http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/in...?topic=36998.0 (You will probably have to copy and paste as I cant seem to make this work properly).

    Chris

  • JeremiahBunyan
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    Very true. Out of interest do you have the link to the thread in the NGF where that comment was posted?

  • Chris Newman
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    Hi Jeremiah, yes the "Gloom & Doom" squad have been trying to have a field day, but I honestly believe that what is being done by the company is totally right, raising cash from moulds already "owned" by them in issuing new HST Booksets and supporting coaches, plus another run of 66's will help to raise the capital required to keep the newer projects financed and if people are aware of what we've been told about the timescale of development, I don't think some have really thought it through properly or thoroughly before whining and complaining!!
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