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    We have taken the decision to make this model the first with our new steam chassis and mechanism. We are currently testing and adjusting these and will publish full specifications here once finalised, along with the specification of this particular model.
    Regards
    Andy

    Dapol Staff Member

  • #2
    Cant wait for these

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    • #3
      Simply cannot wait for further news on these... These are my favorite steam locos!
      Jeremiah Bunyan...

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      • #4
        Really looking forward to these iconic locos. Although I am primarily a GWR/WR modeller, I can definitely make room for one of these on Railtour duty. Any idea of a timeframe?

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        • #5
          We have just tested a new coreless motor in a loco driven mock up and to be frank it did not perform that well. We are prioritising this project now and have some further options to evaluate, but at this stage and with this result cannot give an accurate time frame I am afraid.
          Regards
          Joel

          Dapol Staff Member

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          • #6
            Hi Joel.

            Good to hear that the West Country / BOB is a priority, I need several for my current project, but please take your time and make sure that the new mechanism works to your satisfaction! I'm sure everyone would rather wait for it to be spot on rather than something being rushed to market.

            Tom.

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            • LeftToMyOwnDevices
              LeftToMyOwnDevices commented
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              Joel,

              I would happily agree with TomE. I have 34052 ‘Lord Dowding’ on Pre-order (purely for sentimental reasons: I feel I owe my freedom to Lord Dowding; if you have seen the movie ‘Battle of Britain’, you might know what I mean).

              Having placed the pre-order, I was extremely worried that it might be tender-drive… Eeek…!

              Glad to know that will be loco-drive – but I am very patient to wait until you have your new coreless motor (loco driven?) working to everyone’s satisfaction.

              Charles.

          • #7
            There aren't that many RTR engines on my shopping list but this is one of them.

            Julia

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            • JeremiahBunyan
              JeremiahBunyan commented
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              I have many on my shopping list...but this is a favorite!

          • #8
            I have at least half a dozen on my wish list...air-smoothed and rebuilt. Just have to be in BR green. Good luck with the new drive system.

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            • #9
              I have five of these on pre-order as they are essential to my West of England BR (SR) layout. Please Dapol, make these the best yet!
              Last edited by CeeDee; 11th July 2016, 21:15.

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              • Joel Dapol
                Joel Dapol commented
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                We'll do our best.

            • #10
              I wonder if they could be supplied with multiple transfers so as to get say 20 different running numbers and names?

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              • Bob G
                Bob G commented
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                Dapol tried providing rub down transfers on one of the class 73 electro diesels in large logo livery. It was not a success. I don't think most buyers want the hassle, or are afraid they wont get it to look as good as the factory printed version.
                Bob

            • #11
              I will be looking forward to seeing this model, always had a soft spot for spam cans and will certaiinly buy at least one

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              • #12
                Would it be possible to take this opportunity to strengthen the valve gear on this loco so that it isn't so prone to damage? I hope the new motor will be one that doesn't overheat like the old one. I am still getting problems with this on my locos. Today my Silver Link was removed from the layout and I nearly burnt my fingers. Another weak point on Dapol steam is the wire connections between loco and tender. I don't think these issues are beyond the possibility of being resolved.

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                • Andy Dapol
                  Andy Dapol commented
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                  TomE, Hi Tom, the subject of rods and motion is something that we are reviewing as art of the 'new' design. Personally speaking, I prefer an etched rather than pressed/punched rod (which is how the heavier rodding on the American model was produced) and there is definitely a sweet spot between [scale] accuracy, overall bulk and the ability to withstand a bit of rough and tumble. This is the point we aim to reach.
                  Paint is another interesting issue and again, quite a personal choice on a model. What does look poor is flaky paint or a mismatched finish on the rivets - something also being taken into account.

                  Elvinley Hi, I think you simply have a faulty motor, we identified a problem about 4 years back which would cause some motors to run hot. We changed the assembly process accordingly. If you PM me I can arrange either to send you a motor or to have the model booked in for a motor exchange.
                  Last edited by Andy Dapol; 22nd July 2016, 09:50. Reason: added motor comments

                • Elvinley
                  Elvinley commented
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                  Andy Dapol That is very much appreciated. I recently had a problem with a Western that was dealt with by Joel which was due to component failure. I think if these mechanical issues are resolved along with better QC then things will be moving in a very positive upwards direction. As for finish, the Farish BR green is a very deep colour with a slight shine and is very effective. The more matte effect of their recent Royal Scot in maroon is less effective. From my view, Dapol has been more successful in getting a good finish on their N diesels than steam. Not sure why this is.

                • TomE
                  TomE commented
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                  Andy Dapol Elvinley The satin effect BR green used by Farish does appear more or less spot on to my eyes, and I hate to say it on your own forum but the matt effect BR green used by Dapol historically has always looked somewhat washed out, or faded in comparison. When I put my Dapol Britannia next to a Farish Std 5, the colour is worlds apart, so it would be nice to see some improvement in this area.

                  There were some CAD images circulating for the West Country / BoB a while back, will they be re-issued for comment on the re-designed model when appropriate?

                  Tom.

              • #13
                Hattons say they are expecting the new models in November or December (yes 2016). As they have seem to have completely disappeared from the Dapol website I presume that this "information" is well out of date.
                Are we talking years before we see them?

                John

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                • Andy Dapol
                  Andy Dapol commented
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                  Not years John, I appreciate your frustration and we have been/are working on this mech. in the 'background' and as it will be the basis for all new designs going forwards we want it to be right. The entire drive train is being specified and designed from the ground up and will use some new techniques not before used in a model locomotive.
                  Just to give you an idea of the level we are starting from, I have been working directly with a company who design and produce motors, the custom motor will address the many issues of regular coreless motors (i.e. dislike of DCC, feedback controllers etc. etc.). There are many other areas being worked on which will produce not only a great model, but set the bar for performance. - all this takes time, testing and engineering; I don't want to rush to announce before we have completed our design and evaluation.

              • #14
                Hi Joel and Andy,

                Thank you for the recent comments, I'm sure these have gone down well. It is nice to see regular comments/updates by you guys. This also most welcome by us modellers and also the wallet!

                Please keep up the good work.

                Chris

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                • #15
                  Hi Joel and Andy. Just joined up. Really pleased about your development of the Bullied pacifics and your new drive mechanisms. I will definitely want at least two. Take as long as you need to get it right!! Really well done!

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