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  • More Gresley variety?

    Will other carriage types be modelled one day? Sleeping cars, full brakes, and composite stock would be great additions to the range. TPOs and articulated stock would be a wonderful bonus!

  • #2
    We have no short term plans to expand the Gresley range at present, but these are good ideas and one day you never know.
    Regards
    Joel

    Dapol Staff Member

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    • #3
      A Toilet Third and RTS for the pre-war Scotsman! I know, probably no....

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      • Joel Dapol
        Joel Dapol commented
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        Not no, but rather not just yet.

      • Jondi
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        At my request Etched Puxels now offer N gauge etched brass conversion sides for the toilet third that are designed for the old Minitrix Gresley coaches but can be used with Dapol Stock.

    • #4
      I think the long lived Gresley Gangway Brake would be a great choice. A useful piece of non passenger stock found quite widely after Nationalisation. Never available RTR, there is a current kit - the NGS one, but only available to members and at £26.70 each you'd probably need to be a pretty confident modeller to have a go!

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      • #5
        With the valenced A4s impending, I can see a gap to be filled by some special edition streamlined trains like the Coronation and Silver Jubilee. That may be very blue sky thinking though (and very expensive).

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        • Joel Dapol
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          Yes, we have discussed these but the tooling price frightened us off. Perhaps a project for the future?

        • Jondi
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          And of course the 1907 dynamometer car--but I think 3D printing the most likely option for this.

      • #6
        Some LNER buffet cars went into blue/grey livery but modified from originals. Several LNER coaches became departmental stock.

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        • #7
          I agree with Roy that a Gresley full brake would be an excellent choice for a rtr model. To make things a little different from the NGS kit how about one of the earlier versions without duckets or one of the later steel versions that didn't have any beading. All would be acceptable for use with the coaches already manufactured. Three other coaches that would be very representative for an LNER train would be a brake third (three, four or five compartments were fairly common), the later design of full third (with doors at the ends only) and the corridor composite coach; all of these would have been built in greater numbers than the firsts, composite brakes and buffet cars currently available.

          Of course, the LNER was always cash stricken so many pre-grouping coaches were kept in front line service for much longer than on the other companies (some still being in front line service in BR days) and would have probably still made up at least two thirds of the LNER's coaching stock by the late 1930's. However, the massive range of coaches that fall into this category couple with the relatively limited number built of many types would probably exclude these from ever being popular enough to warrant a mass produced model.

          As a halfway house for a specialised set that any LNER mainline locomotive could be seen pulling, how about tourist stock? These were constructed by the LNER in the mid 1930's for use mainly for excursions. Originally the sets were made up into rakes of twelve coaches (although shorter set could also be found) and by the late 1930's tourist coaches were being used indiscriminately in mainline sets; especially the buffet cars, which the LNER was always short of.

          These sets might provide a slightly more economical route as:

          1. They weren't exclusively built for haulage by A4s - A3s, B17s and even J39s would be pressed into service for holiday excursions.
          2. Examples could be used within a mainline set of 'standard' Gresley coaches.
          2. The sets were made up of two 3rd brake coaches, two buffet cars and the rest made up of slightly shorter articulated third coaches (all the same design).
          3. The buffet cars were mounted on 61 foot underframes identical to that of the 'standard' 1930's buffet car.
          4. The brake coaches were mounted on 61 foot underframes similar to those already produced for the Gresley panelled coaches.
          5. All the coaches used standard Gresley 8'6 bogies of the type Dapol already produces (compared to the 10' bogies used on the streamline sets)
          6. The coaches lasted until the early 1960s (although no longer used in sets).
          7. CAD/tooling wise there would only be three coach bodies to design, one standard underframe to modify, one underframe that is already tooled and one underframe that would have to be designed from scratch along with an articulation system.

          Just some thoughts to produce something a little different...

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          • Joel Dapol
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            Excellent post with some great suggestions, thank you. I think a full brake would be excellent.

          • Atso
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            Thank you for your kind words Joel. May I suggest a diagram 198 flush sided full brake. This would share the underframe and roof with the components Dapol developed to help the NGS with their dia 113 full brake while not undermining their efforts; you'd have to develop some 8' wheelbase bogies to be strictly correct (however, I don't think Hornby bothered with their 00 gauge full brake).
            Last edited by Atso; 2 October 2016, 21:55.

        • #8
          I would certainly love to see some third open stock

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          • #9
            Will there be more liveries introduced? I don't seem to recall seeing a crimson/cream buffet which would be great and also the blue/grey buffet.

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            • #10
              The buffet car would need mods to the body for the blue/grey livery, so I don't think this would be a goer. I've got a crimson/cream version which was one of the original batch.You may be able to find one secondhand.

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