Future models: N Gauge Coaching stock

[gc4946]

What about suitable matching Stroudley-designed 19th century 4-wheeled carriages to go with the Terriers, which themselves have been popular in both N and O scales.

https://basilicafields.wordpress.com...scr-carriages/

The Brighton Circle http://www.lbscr.org/History/Circle/index.html (no personal connection) might advise you on the correct types to best model

[JeremiahBunyan]

4-wheeled coaches are a must...something rarely represented in the hobby in RTR form.

[Dorsetmike]

Some Maunsell restaurant cars and open thirds (I'm currently attempting a hack to make some of these) How much longer before the 4 compartment brake thirds appear? Maybe boxed with a compo in three car sets (e.g.sets 390-399)

Next some ex LSWR corridor and non corridor stock including push pull sets, these lasted into nationalisation so 4 or 5 livery options, maybe other SR constituents coaches although not so many of those were as long lived as the ex LSWR ones. I suspect 4 and 6 wheel stock did not last for long after grouping so would be less viable.
An M7 boxed with a push pull set?

The LSWR stock could include 50 footers, just one compartment less than the 56/57 footers

[Jeff Eastmond]

...and in the same vein, an SECR 100-seater. Built for the SECR electrification and never used as such, they became the staple branch line strengthening coach later in their lives.

[gc4946]

Another suggestion to go with the Terriers, for an Isle of Wight compact branch line train:

http://www.iwsteamrailway.co.uk/4-wh...carriages.aspx

(Entry under Southern Railway Push-Pull Set 484)

Two 2-coach push-pull sets (ex-London, Chatham & Dover Railway) entered service on the island in 1924 and withdrawn in 1938, one of which is preserved on the Isle of Wight Railway. NB the underframes on the preserved set aren't original because they were scrapped when the carriage bodies were sold off after withdrawal.

[beeshill]

I'm another one to place in the column for MkIII SLE, SLEP & BFO, to compliment the rest of the superb MkIII range.
As said earlier, a chance for other bookset offerings too.

Ste

[acko22]

Have to admit there are a couple of things I would love to see come out which would compliment some of the models I already have / going to be getting:

1) Royal train pack maybe no the entire train but something like a 5 pack with the 2 Mk2Bs and 3 Mk3s
2) NR HST measurement train Mk3s to go with the HSTs
3) Mk3 Coaches and DVT to go with the class 67/68 for the Chiltern Trains services

Ok I know they may be a bit out there but we can all wish!

[RailGooner]

GWR Diagram H22, 70' Toplight Restaurant (6 axle).

And as a base for kit-bashing the NR-NMT, DBS-MT, or Royal Train, an unpainted BR Mk.3 would be more acceptable (to my better-half and my bank manager) than buying fully decorated models. Indeed, releasing more unpainted models might make a project more financially viable to you (Dapol) as a manufacturer and to me as a modeller. For example it would be interesting to see the ratio of units sold, unpainted vs. decorated for the Siphons. Were the unpainted Siphons part of the original plan, or were they an after-thought?

[Joel Dapol]

The sales of unpainted siphons are relatively low,probably around 1 unpainted to 20 complete and were produced as a result of some requests from customers. As these are produced in the UK was a relatively easy product to provide, The mark 3 coaches are of Far Eastern manufacture so are a little trickier to provide, however, if there are a enough requests, I am sure we could provide some unpainted versions.

[RailGooner]

Thanks Joel, I hadn't considered the impact the country of manufacture might have.

[Dorsetmike]

I predict Dapol will soon announce a Maunsell 3rd open, I am fairly confidant of this as I have just hacked three old Farish stock into Diag 2005 3rd Opens, got plans for a Restaurant car too (diag 2651). I've had it happen before, hacked a 14xx into an M7, 6 months later ... ... ...

Work in progress, parked alongside one of Dapols Maunsells, roof has now been lowered.

[ohlavache]

Another suggestion to go with the Terriers, for an Isle of Wight compact branch line train:

http://www.iwsteamrailway.co.uk/4-wh...carriages.aspx

(Entry under Southern Railway Push-Pull Set 484)

Two 2-coach push-pull sets (ex-London, Chatham & Dover Railway) entered service on the island in 1924 and withdrawn in 1938, one of which is preserved on the Isle of Wight Railway. NB the underframes on the preserved set aren't original because they were scrapped when the carriage bodies were sold off after withdrawal.

I fully agree with this suggestion.
As already said, 4-wheel coaches would be welcome.

Another idea: the Night Ferry!!! My dream.
Let's imagine a set of three CIWL type F sleeping-cars, with one SNCF van "type Nord" and one SR Night Ferry van.
I would like to stress that it would also appeal to continental modellers. So the market would be wider than the British one.

To go with, you have already the class 73 from Dapol, the Merchant Navy from Graham Farish and the upcoming Class 33 and Battle of Britain from Dapol.
Class 08 from Graham Farish is suitable for shunting.
Even better, would be a Class 71 !
For continental modellers, they have the 231 Chapelon Nord from Rivarossi. The upcoming A1A-A1A 62000 from Mabar is suitable. (Maybe the 230E from Minitrix is ok.)

Partnership with Modellbahn Union could be appropriate: they cover both continental and British markets.
At least one CIWL type F sleeping-car and one type Nord van are preserved (if I remember well). So scanning is possible.

Kato's set of LX and Pullman cars under reference 23135 was a huge success.
So would be a Night Ferry set.

Since releasing new N gauge items takes time, this could be a special one for the 60 years of N gauge in February/March 2020 !
I hope I will get some supporters...

[JeremiahBunyan]

My apologies, but can you specify which scale in N gauge? I like your ideas a lot...But I fail to see how Dapol can cater to both British and Continental N gaugers without having duplicate tooling for both scales i.e. 1:148 for the Britishers and 1:160 for the Continental modelers. the size difference is vast and I don't see many potential sales. If Dapol does it in 1:148 there would be hardly any continental buyers and if they do it in 1:160 there would be little or no British buyers.

Kato 1:160 Class 66 vs. Dapol/Graham Farish 1:148 Class 66
http://i549.photobucket.com/albums/i...ps90bbd753.jpg

Personally since it's N gauge I would've opted for having the CIWL Type F coaches designed and 3D printed... It's a more viable option.

[ohlavache]

Since it is a proposal to Dapol, I would say 1:148 is the correct scale.
This is not an issue for continental modellers.

• According to (my) practical experience: you can take a 1:160 locomotive with 1:148 wagons and vice-versa ; you can mix most freight wagons between 1:148 and 1:160. These combinations don't hurt one's eyes. But mixing passenger cars may be difficult.
• It has to be noted that Dapol's class 66 are quite common among continental modellers. Many were sold by Modellbahn Union. I haven't seen any complain. You just need to avoid to have it side by side with a Kato version.
• In the case of the Night Ferry, we're talking of using a 1:160 locomotive with 1:148 passenger cars. This is ok since the British width is smaller than the continenal one. That's why it won't hurt.

So no issue here with a Night Ferry in 1:148 scale for French and Belgian modellers.

[gerry9253]

As there is no 'Bullied' section to post there may I suggest one is started so we can request/comment on any further releases etc? And, have you considered the possibility releasing maroon Bullied coaches for the Scottish and Western regions? Their uniqueness may attract sales. I would suggest a Tavern Car set would appeal too........

Gerry

[gerry9253]

Doh! Please accept my sincere apologies for my Bullied post. What was I doing! I'm not let out much so I shall have a lie down now........

Embarrassed Gerry

[Longbow]

I gather we're due some more Maunsell variants and liveries. But please consider some limited edition 2 and 3 car sets. A little renumbering and weathering adds a lot of value.

[JeremiahBunyan]

I'm not sure RTR weathered coaches is a good idea. FWIW on the real railway though coaches do get dirty, they are still kept as clean as possible. This results in a huge variety of weathering effects and that's easier replicated professionally and/or personally. If Dapol do a weathered set - what are they supposed to do? Light, medium or heavy weathering? What if no one wants weathered coaches? It's easier to weather something rather than un-weather it.

I know many people love weathered stock...but even on layouts coaches are least weathered and there's a varying degree of weathering...that cannot satisfy everyone and therefore isn't viable.

[Joel Dapol]

Hi Longbow, ten to agree with Jeremiah on this one, getting the right weathering effect is a difficult task and is perhaps best left to the tastes of the modeller concerned. A good subject for debate however.

[Bert Saltash]

Some GWR PO stock would be nice too. The Farish Mk1 PO sorting van seems to have sold well so make there would be a market for pre-nationalisation stuff too.

I would appreciate a pre-Mk1 design PO van for the WR, please. Am I correct in thinking that there was a common pre-nationalisation design used by the Big Four?

[Boco_D2]

I've seen it come up serveral times but I too would like MK3 sleepers. I'd also be happy for a compromised Royal train because at the end of the day I have 3 choices: no Royal train, make my own (going to take time and is never going to look quite right) or have a manufactured representation that looks close enough (I believe Revoloution trains are considering this in regards to their TEA wagons in Murco livery)

A larger selection of coach book sets would be fantastic, particular sets to compliment HST sets so it is easier to make up a train. Maybe A&B packs to make up 8 coach loco hauled trains (similar to the current blue/grey mk3 offering and the previous Pretendilino set). I think this would be great in N where many of us have the space to run longer trains and would make it a lot easier and more convenient to put these trains together.